We are very impressed with the performance of the Stratospire in crummy weather, its ease of setup, and spacious design. Isn’t this how ZPacks finishes the seams on their tents? The seam looks more or less like what I remember on my Duplex, just two pieces glued/taped together. Sell [WTS] Zpacks Plexamid (14.64 oz) & Tarptent Aeon Li (17.46 oz) Selling both of my DCF tents. So then you can add sewing to stop the slip (2nd diagram below) and you get a bomber seam but it leaks. I wouldn’t give ZPacks too much credit for pioneering DCF. Seems well thought out, might be  generation ahead of everybody else. Then only if you have to, shift the poles, and only go back around to the other side if there might be some flapping in the wind. But this was being tested to destruction. I don’t know enough to speak about the benefits of a double wall. © Copyright 2001-2020 BEARTOOTH MEDIA GROUP, INC. | U.S. Library of Congress Serial Registration ISSN 1537-0364 Something for everyone: Basic, Premium, and Unlimited Membership options available. Get our Handbook - the resource you need to make intelligent decisions about gear, safety, comfort, and pack weight. Double wall tents still get condensation on the outside wall/fly, but you are much less likely to make contact while inside, keeping you and your equipment dryer. The Tarptent Notch Li, the ZPacks Soloplex, and the Gossamer Gear The One. As it creeps, the first stitch picks up picks up pressure (depending on your viewpoint) transferring it to the second stitch. Any one know what seam construction MLD uses, or is it a proprietary secret? [WTS] Zpacks Plexamid (14.64 oz) & Tarptent Aeon Li (17.46 oz) Sell. This really happens simultaneously from both sides of each panel. I just received a .51 DCF Grace Duo from MLD a few weeks ago. I can throw in a groundhog mini to supplement, More posts from the ULgeartrade community. I think MLD normally does sew too (my DCF DuoMid had stitching). From what I have read, it is generally considered as bomber as any DCF shelter out there, and MLD has claimed to have not received any reports of failure in the field. From what I have read, it is generally considered as bomber as any DCF shelter out there, and MLD has claimed to have not received any reports of failure in the field. Both tents are bomber, and I love them dearly, but I need something larger. But again, durability, reliability, ruggedness are my focal points. If that single line of stitching fails then the seam peels to unravel back to the middle piece of tape. The overall weight of the joins in a two person tent will be about two ounces heavier. The actual mechanics of glue creep and “Strength Of the Joint” (SOJ) seem to indicate a combination joint. [WTS] Zpacks Plexamid (14.64 oz) & Tarptent Aeon Li (17.46 oz) WTS • Posted by 4 hours ago. That’s some tent! It’s much stronger than stitching but tape can slip/creep in really hot or cold conditions. Anything I am missing in the comparison? Stratospire PitchLoc corners are a bit fiddly to set up correctly, beyond just adjusting line tension. Maybe you could use a regular flat seam (no glue) with tape over it? Working with DCF is quite a bit different from traditional tent fabrics, but Henry generally does something really well or not at all. But, the overall join durability is increased about 2 to 4 times. The SOJ will hold up even under a LOT of abrasion, which is what you want. I’m sure you know how you’d do it the 10th time: Instead of walking around it twice, adjusting and adjusting… you do one side kind of tight, the whole thing’ll look lopsided, then you do the other side, make any adjustments there. The SOJ is mostly in shear so all the glue lines/stitches act in concert, reinforcing each other. FOX160, Feb 19, 2019 #1. gixer Thru Hiker. I think it would have leaked long before it actually pulled apart…again, you might be right: that the flat joint actually doesn’t leak under greater pressure than a rolled joint. I was intrigued by the TT but seeing more pictures and videos, I know it's not for me. Any one know what seam construction MLD uses, or is it a proprietary secret?”. They all range from about 19 oz to about 21 oz in weight. Generally, any shredding or tears will NOT happen at the join, but rather in the panel where scratches or other abrasion weakens it. Tents have to be well ventilated or they’ll just condense breath inside. Lawson’s done a lot of testing and he’s pretty convinced you have to sew and bond. It’s not a design for extreme conditions anyway, and the cases of failure that I’ve come across on the web haven’t involved the seams. Only the Zpacks Duplex scores higher due to its lightweight, but the StratoSpire holds up better in poor weather. It might be interesting to have an American thru-hiker come to Scotland with his/her setup. https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/topics/camping-and-hiking/best-ultralight-tent, https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/reviews/camping-and-hiking/ultralight-tent/zpacks-duplex-flex-upgrade, https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/reviews/camping-and-hiking/ultralight-tent/tarptent-stratospire-li. PLEXAMID STILL AVAILABLE. Thanks for the reply, Dan. Phone: 650-587-1548 530-362-8763 It’s pretty common to stitch the bottom hem and I think this is a good idea because it is measurably lighter and you don’t need a bonded seam here. Only the glue between them is different, preventing the join from unrolling. But more importantly, the top (or left) side will still start to peel. The set-up video looks a bit busy. Download the Backpacking Light Handbook to help you make intelligent decisions about gear, skills, ultralight philosophy, and reducing your pack weight. The Aeon Li is another Dyneema tent that is lighter than the Dirigo 2 but doesn’t have as much floor space. The Plexamid currently has a 2 week lead time, and the Aeon Li is currently out of stock. the ‘box’ ends for extra volume are really well done. Don't think I'll be buying either of those somehow. Both are just slightly too small for me (I'm 6' 2" 250lbs). ). A normal flat seam, rolled together with glue, provides this. Even if it doesn’t there was a good thread here on BPL where folks (Lawson Kline mostly) showed that the available adhesives are problematic in temperature extremes. Yeah, but I think I lost 1 of the stakes. Tarptent. Standard stuff while sewing. Yeah, you are likely correct. Still experimenting. The Plexamid currently has a 2 week lead time, and the Aeon Li is currently out of stock. Outdoor Gear Lab compares the SS Li and Duplex (and several others), and found some interesting differences. The dcf doesn’t fray (very much) because of the laminate, similar to the sil coating limiting the fray on sil-nylon. Discussion in 'Shelters & Accessories' started by FOX160, Feb 19, 2019. New(ish) product from a company relatively new to DCF fabric vs many happy Duplex customers from a company that pioneered DCF/Cuben fabrics. So how do the edges of the DCF not fray if it’s just a simply overlap like that? let me know if that does not do it for you. And there would be a weight cost to the full method in my diagrams since it’s effectively double taped which probably adds 1/2 – 1oz to the tent. So perhaps it’s semantics since if something is good enough then why worry about it further, but still like things to be as good as they can be unless there is a cost to doing that. thanks in advance for your replies! As always, I prefer durability/ruggedness over extreme light weight. 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